Proposed changes to the Nuclear Operatives gamemode

oBerry

As per the results of the player polls so far, here are some proposed changes to nukeops. Please let me know what you guys think of each of these, also I'm aware of the "wyci". I'm not proposing that all of these are done, or done exactly as I've written them, this is purely meant to spark discussion

Remove war declarator from Commander loadout, only give it to ops who ahelp saying they want to do a gimmick
Make the shuttle automatically delete / FTL away / become unusable after a certain amount of time after the nukeops FTL away from their outpost. Could flavor this as a way to preserve the shuttle by engaging autopilot, could also give crew a way to send the nuke back to the planet if they're fast enough, but the main reason is to prevent roundstalling by nukies hiding on shuttle 30 minutes into the assault. Make sure it's a long enough timer so that nukies can still do precision strikes as their opener (taking out ats, ai, etc)
Change the shuttle's IFF to be something different. Either it automatically locks to show IFF after a certain period, can't be turned off, or give crew some way to find the shuttle, to encourage nukies to be quick. No one likes slow nukies. To compensate, give the ship more turrets, to prevent the inevitable salvager trying to capture it immediately.
Make the failsafe teleport the nuke disk to the nuke. This puts a hard stop to people trying to cheese the disk by making the process of cheesing hurt them more than help. It also makes the disk findable if it accidentally gets lost.
Give the nukeops a pinpointer to the station nuke. Hiding the nuke was never an intended part of the gamemode, but I see it too often and it round stalls / is powergaming.
(Experimental idea) Give a vote option to ghosts alongside the "restart round" vote option that calls in an ERT. Majority of station must be dead, if the vote is passed it alarts the station that an ERT shuttle is on the way. Once it passes, give (7?) minutes before it spawns, it will spawn a premade shuttle filled with ERT security of some kind. This will force nukies to lock in and detonate the nuke before the ERT arrives. It's important that the time before the ERT arrives gives enough time for nukies to arm and detonate the nuke, but quick enough that it forces them to actually move their ass

Icepick

War Removed Entirely
Nukie Nuke rendered null and void
Strategizing as Nukies punished
This already exists
This is an Admin issue
ERT being called literally every single nukie round

oBerry

Icepick Community strongly dislikes generic war ops
Nukie nuke currently doesn't work and hasn't for a long time
The IFF has multiple ways it can be done to allow strategizing
It doesn't "currently exist", the failsafe teleports the disk RANDOMLY on the station, I always see it spawn under piles in maints
It might be an admin issue but so was the "you should set the singulo up right" and we still changed it so people can't fuck it up more, no harm in giving admins less work
Not necessarily, and they only would show up if the nukies are stalling and not ending the round while 75% of the station is dead

GhastIsBack

fuck yeah I love stealth ops
could be good if other changes added, but if life sign scanner is added like I suggest it wouldn't be needed I don't think
I propose adding a (relatively wide range, but not as big as crew monitor AKA much smaller than station but still large) proximity life sign scanner, because this is an issue with finding obscure dead bodies and it would allow finding nukies AND crew members lost in space
good
why not?
fuck yeah, too many rounds with sec mains getting nukies.

Icepick

oBerry
Still shouldnt remove War ops entirely
Thats an issue with Goobcode and should be fixed
This is a time constraint, it on average takes half and hour for competent nukies to get ready for non-stealth
The nuke disk is teleported to the centre of the station, teleporting it to the nuke just ruins rounds
Singulooses happen within 10-20 minutes of the round starting on average
This punishes Nukies every single time they do good. Theres a reason there were complaint about too many ERT events, and how there is a reason its admin controlled currently.

correspond

not a fan of flat out removing the option to do war ops. we should instead balance nukies to favor less nrp rounds; this could probably just be solved by making the amount of tc that war gives less. i also don't think nukies being "the combat heavy" round is a bad thing. even if we are mrp, it is not a bad thing that occasionally the round is more combat/mechanically focused than a normal one. i feel like nukies are pretty rare for us as it is, regardless

for points 2, 3 -- admin issue imo. shuttle ftling away will cause more issues (ex. think of every time a nukie forgot their nuke on the shuttle, this will make that same issue worse). 3 is... i dunno. feel like it would just make salvagers looting the shuttle worse. i also dont want to encourage nukies to be quick because that's Just War Ops. it makes the issue of "near-every round is war ops" worse imo. stealth nukies are fine, if it turns into round stalling then it's an admin issue.

4 is qol i guess. its fine. though if people are throwing the nuke disc out to stall the round then admins should ban em
5... okay... i guess.... i feel like this exists already? you can emag pinpointers, no?
6 is ok. would personally rather not have ert called without admin intervention, but it's meh. not a big issue

Niklaz

Tbh id just say for now just make nukies more rare as a gamemode. Its nice to have a combat heavy round once in a while as a change of pace but having nukies 3 times in a row is attrocious. Maybe make it so you cant have nukies back to back idk.

Proxima Crasher

i mostly agree but especialy when it comes to war ops, i almost just outright hate War Ops and agree it should be a admeme event (at least one that the admins would almost allways say yes too if asked)

for me War Ops does little more than just completely derail any goals or personal objectives i want to do that round
it basicaly kills most RP, and encourages everyone on station to powergame to the max if they dont want to get killed
you basicaly cant do anything that does not contribute towards preping for the nukies or otherwise you are "thorwing"
War Ops i feel is only fun for a part of the stations crew and miserable for the rest of us that us

Zoetic

I think warops should be kept mostly as is, but with a few changes. After 30 minutes or so the IFF on the nukie shuttle becomes permanently enabled so crew can counterattack if they're not quick about their attack (no one likes warops that take forever)(also this would make shuttle weapons have an actual purpose!). After maybe an hour in Warops perhaps CentComm could sent out an announcement about having located the nukie base and allow any shuttle to FTL there (perhaps they could also fax captain the nuke codes so they can "Win" the gamemode by nuking their base first). I think a lot of the stress of warops would be alleviated if they were consistently about only an hour long, as it is essentially a TDM (unless they're doing a gimmick, of course in which case they can just use the syndicate shuttle announcement computer(?) )

Captain_Clueless

I'm not sure a "crew counterattack" would be fair, after an hour of prep on both sides the crew would far outnumber the nukes, and the crew's tech grows exponentially more dangerous with time. Plus I don't think the syndicate or nano really care about the nukie's planet, it's just a staging area that's going to be abandoned as soon as the mission is over