Disabler/Stun rework/nerf

FatEngineerGaming

Antags nearly never go loud. Why? Stuns. Even if they do go loud, theres nearly no counter to stuns, so it gets shutdown quickly. You may say "Hurr durr, E-ENERGY SHIELD!! EMP!! CHEMICALS!! DUHHH!!" shut up. Those are NOT reliable, energy shields give a chance, EMPs are very limited, and chemicals are micromanage: The Simulator. Once you get stunned, nine times out of ten, YOUR DONE. Anyways rant over time for the actual part:

Stun Nerf

Disablers should have a stun damage nerf, mostly so you dont get disabled in 4 seconds. However, speed up their projectiles. Make it take atleast 7 hits. Also slightly lower their fire speed. However, increase their charge.

COMPLETELY remove Stun Batons dealing stun damage when thrown, seriously, why do they bring you down to half stamina.

New disabler

Tier 2 arsenal research, "Advaced Stuns". Adds a disabler type nammed "Stunner", which has the same stats as the current one. However, it will deal minor burn damage.

STUN RESISTANCE

Holy FUCK why is this not in the game. Hardsuits now have the following resistances to stuns:
Heretic Armor: 25% (also unrelated but can someone add EVA to these so it's good for void path? thanks.)
Raid: 40%
Normal: 35%
Elite: 50%
Juggetnaut: 65%

But you may now be sobbing: B-BUT... NUKIES HAVE TOO MUCH RESISTANCE AND... T-TEAMWORK!! DRUHHH!! traitors exist. This will also make Hardsuits actually viable to have for Traitors, also, YOUR MEANT TO LETHAL NUKIES. Your first thought shouldn't be; "Zoinks! Time to grab my disabler and kill them in 5 hits because they cant do shit after!", it should be "OH FUCK GRAB THE AK47!!". Also, you may be sobbinh about resistance, SHUT. THE. FUCK. UP. NUKIES ARE MEANT TO BE HARD, YOUR NOT A ONE MAN ARMY, YOU NEED TO HAVE A GROUP TO TAKE ONE OUT, NOT SHOOT 5 BLUE PARTICLES AT THEM.

Niklaz

Yes, stun resistance please. I have never heard a single person say stun resistance shouldnt be a thing. I have NO idea how that hasnt been a thing yet. Its such a simple solution.

Also gonna throw out my own idea, make disablers disable at 8 or 9 shots BUT be able to disarm the enemy with somewhere around 4-5 shots and slow them at 6. Make certain suits with stun resistance block the effect of the disarm of course. It kinda makes sense, you get shocked, you twitch and release your weapon by accident. No clue if thats a good idea I just think it would add some variety in the strategies employed by security and make the disabler less boring.

The__0003

In my opinion, nerfing both the disabler's fire speed and stamina damage as you suggested seems like too much. This would effectively make security completely unable to capture people unless they get lucky with batonning, though I would be ok with nerfing the base disabler back down to taking 4 shots and reducing its fire rate in exchange for the better projectile speed. Though, yeah, being able to throw batons for stun is just stupid.

Also, I'm not too big a fan of requiring a tier 2 arsenal research in order to gain back the bare minimum of just having a half-decent disabler, since nearly every single science department completely neglects armory research. It's already uncommon to see sec with any kind of upgraded gear already, and this would just cause the entire sec experience to be ruined unless sci did a thing they're notorious for not doing.

However, you are beyond right on how stun resistance not being a thing is fucking dumb. Terrorists IRL rarely ever get stopped by being tazed, and the same should apply here. Though, given how the elite suit is highly resistant to the main form of "armor piercing" weaponry in the game as of now, that being uranium munitions, I think it should actually have the lowest stun resistance of the bunch, giving it a unique weakness. Maybe like a 33% resist with normal and raid suits get a 50%? Given that the regular bloodred is the cheapest syndie hardsuit and thus the most attractive to a regular syndicate agent, I think it would make sense to give it a lot more stun resistance.

Overall though, being able to stun nukies rarely ever seems to come up in nuke ops, and most nukie rounds just end through lethaling. I 100% agree on how the lack of stun resist only really discourages syndicate agents from going loud, and honestly would love it if more rounds had syndies do anything other than nocturine hypopenning their target, gibbing them with a toolbox, and stealing whatever they may need from them and storage implanting it.

The__0003

Also there is code for this in Wizden's PRs here, might want to try introducing it to this server