Alright. Warning ahead of time, this will be a strange one.
Your SS14 Username: Andle
Banning Admin's Username: JoulesBerg
Role Ban or Server Ban: Warning
Round ID (if applicable):
Reason for Ban: Self-Antag, Harassing and Unreasonable Incompetency
What lead up to the ban:
As Punpun I was making Fluorosurfacant and Space Lube in chemistry with the support of the Chemist with the intention of pranking the crew and covering the hallways and bridge with lube. Once I begun the process, I had spilled the lube in the main areas of the station leading up to Sec and HoP.
On the second run, after managing to escape arrest I returned to the prank before I'd be inevitably caught for it and got bwoinked.
Why you should be unbanned:
Honestly, I don't really agree with the warnings. While I do agree that I have gone too far to an extent with the lube bombings to call them self-antag or even harassment is... Major overstatement.
The station was on green alert for a while. Large part of the crew wanted to Evac due to the damages done to the station + multiple round removals due to the blob and the only reason that they didn't were due to NTR's stubbornness. We were a fairly long duration into the shift and the lube was not placed in any place that would truly be dangerous- just annoying.
The lube bombs were meant to be annoying / bothersome for hilarity's sake, not malicious in any kind of way. I don't disagree with Joules's bwoink and telling me to stop as much as what the warnings were issued for. It was silly and meant as a prank, not malicious nor do I believe it lead to anything even halfway resembling actual harm.
Transcript
📤 01:14:58 JoulesBerg: Are you lube bombing places?
📥 01:15:04 Andle: Yes
📥 01:15:24 Andle: Im on my last one
📥 01:15:46 JoulesBerg: Stop.
📥 01:15:50 Andle: Why?
📤 01:16:11 JoulesBerg: You're not an antag and its interfering with station work. Why are you even doing it?
📥 01:16:28 Andle: It's funny. Space lube is silly fun really.
📥 01:16:54 Andle: Fairly easy to solve too. Cargo just needs to order cleanades
📥 01:17:30 Andle: Im also like
📥 01:17:33 Andle: 99% sure its green
📤 01:17:49 JoulesBerg: Right. But is the station already in a state of chaos? they don't really need you adding to it. Its one thing to pull an elaborate prank involving lube, its another to just lob lube grenades everywhere because its entertaining to you
📥 01:18:04 Andle: Both me and the chemist were on it
📤 01:18:19 JoulesBerg: And its self antagonist behavior for both of you, not just one of you
📥 01:18:43 Andle: Not sure if lubing the station is self antag. If you think it is I'm fine stopping it. Haven't done another one since
📤 01:19:45 JoulesBerg: Like I said, space lube itself is not inherently self antag behavior. But theres a limit. Theres a reason lube grenades are contraband
📥 01:20:06 Andle: I didn't actually know they're contraband. I had no lube nades. Just made foam lube
📥 01:20:45 Andle: I assumed since it's green it's fine. Based on stuff in rules ect, criminal behaviour that isn't super major is generally fine in non-emergency
📥 01:20:53 Andle: If it wasn't green I wouldn't do it.
📤 01:21:11 JoulesBerg: Green alert is not a universal greenlight for LRP behavior that gets turned off when blue alert starts
01:21:37 Andle: It's... Not really LRP behaviour? I'm not sure I agree with you there Joules.
📤 01:21:40 JoulesBerg: You're a character in a role playing game. What role playing reason do you have for throwing lube grenades all over the stations?
📥 01:22:13 Andle: For fun / to be mischevious. Watching people slip around is hilarious and I'm playing a mischevious monkey.
📤 01:22:28 JoulesBerg: Pun pun is a professional bartender. Not a clown.
📥 01:22:33 Andle: I'm fine toning it down but I do think calling it self-antag is going a bit far.
📤 01:23:05 JoulesBerg: It is 100% self antag, and it is 100% LRP behavior. And it comes PERILOUSLY close to breaking rule 1 - don't be an asshole.
📥 01:23:26 Andle: I... Seriously don't agree. No offense.
📤 01:26:13 JoulesBerg: I am going to be issuing official warnings for several rules. First, for harrassing others with no in character conflict. Second for self antagonist behavior without proper escalation. and third for unreasonable incompetence in your role as a bartender/ bartenders assistant as pun pun.
📥 01:26:21 Andle: What?
📥 01:26:41 Andle: I'd like someone else to weigh in on this.
📤 01:26:51 JoulesBerg: You can review these official definitions under our banning policy on the wiki.
📥 01:27:00 Andle: This feels like going way too far on the ruling.
📤 01:27:04 JoulesBerg: I'll be adding those warnings to your account now. Any questions?
📥 01:27:05 Andle: Also yes, I am familiar with them.
📥 01:27:22 Andle: Yes, can you please have someone look at the situation at hand?
📤 01:27:57 JoulesBerg: You can bring it up by either filing an appeal, or an admin complaint on our forums. No one else is online to review the situation at this time, but if you do so someone besides me will look into it.
📥 01:28:08 Andle: Will do.
📥 01:28:16 Andle: Mind tossing me the round number?
📤 01:28:30 JoulesBerg: 5307
📥 01:30:01 Andle: Thanks. Can you send me the transcript of these admin logs on discord too so I can attach them?
📤 01:30:23 JoulesBerg: Of course
📤 01:30:38 JoulesBerg: What is your discord?
📥 01:30:42 Andle: Andleheart.
📤 01:31:15 JoulesBerg: I will send that in a couple minutes, let me add these notes first
📥 01:31:21 Andle: Alright.
📥 01:35:02 Andle: ALso
📥 01:35:08 Andle: It isn't lube grenades. It's just foam bombs
📤 01:35:23 JoulesBerg: With lube in them correct?
📥 01:35:27 Andle: Yep.
📤 01:35:44 JoulesBerg: I will edit the notes to reflect that, but effectively its the exact same thing
📥 01:35:58 Andle: Mostly about contra. Honestly I actually never seen a lube grenade.
📤 01:37:10 JoulesBerg: They are orange and round. I do understand the angle of it being modular grenades, so it wasn't obvious you were mimicking the effects of contraband. I am taking that into account I promise. I am trying my very best to be lenient on this
📥 01:37:26 Andle: Nah. I get that.
📥 01:37:45 Andle: Honestly, I agree on the bwoink. Just not the warnings for some of the things issued.
📥 01:38:02 Andle: I accept I went too far with it. I just don't really see it as self-antag or harassment.
