Little bit of a rant about ghost roles

Melts

(pro tip, if it squeaks, especially more than once, its probably got an actual player in it, don't be a dick.)

John B Dingle

I KOS mice and other critters because they don't have rights and are an overall net negative for the station, as well as it's in character for me particularly to do so.

Usually, I use mice corpses for decoration or RP purposes. However, I've had cases where I've seen mice ghost role players snitch on antags or show where a dead body is located. I find that as a mouse player, you aren't entitled at all to the same necessities that a normal player would be entitled to.

Melts

John B Dingle
"because you're playing a lesser role, you're not entitled to be treated like an actual human is in charge of the mouse"

Sorry you think people who are playing ghost roles aren't also people. Its not a question of "its a mouse in the game"
its a question of "its a human being in real life"

Role play with me. If your character hates mice, then go eep! and pick me up and throw me. Then I know not to interact with you if I am not willing to risk getting killed.
I've already been round removed once. Who are you to do it again except a dick?

Regarding the "overall net negative for the station"

Its a ROLE playing game. The tax of a mouse on the stations resources is negligible compared to the ROLE they fulfill by interacting with people in positive ways.

If the mouse is being a dick and eating all the chefs food? fucking kill it yea.
But if its piloted by a HUMAN PLAYER, and you kill it without provocation? You're fully just an asshole.

John B Dingle

Melts To people like me your role when you're roleplaying a mouse is to be hit in the head with a toolbox and then be shoved in disposals

It's like friendlies in tf2. Since you're effectively a cockroach it's up to the others around you to decide your fate.

Is it a dick move? Yes. Should it be punished? No.

Plus, there's many more ghost roles and mice and such for you to choose when you die as a mouse

Melts

additional comment: its against Space law to harm non hostile sentient creatures. One could argue that this means "it can talk"
I think a better interpretation is whether a human is playing the character. Which is EASILY DETERMINED if you actually role play.

Melts

I never said it should be punished, I just wish a thousand curses upon your family

John B Dingle

Also there's literally a role whose only job is to kill mice and other critters. I think this exemplifies how such critters should be viewed in a roleplaying perspective; not entitled to citizen's rights. (As harsh as that sounds)

Melts

John B Dingle what role is this?

Melts

Space law literally says they have the same rights as crew bud

John B Dingle

Melts You went from "space law could be interpreted as such" to "space law literally says it bud"
😐️

Melts

I directly quoted the space law, and said you COULD interpret it to mean "only stuff that talks", but probably the more accurate way to interpret it is things controlled by players.

My tune never changed, its just a matter of how you define sentient, which I seem to define differently than you, but the terminology is unchanged in the actual laws.

John B Dingle

Melts Janitor

Eats-The-Crew

*gurgles.

Melts

Thats not in their SOP
Is it a thing they CAN do? yea.
Is it their "literal job"?
nope.

John B Dingle

Melts The SOP isn't a strict set of rules nor is it a list of job definitions. It's a set of loose guidelines to follow which are very malleable. The janitor is equipped with rat traps, garbage bags in which rats and critters may be placed, and their only literal job is to clean the station. Rats and critters are typically widely seen as "unclean" and so yes, it is the janitor's literal job to kill rats.

Melts

SOP is a textbook definition of job duties and expectations. That is literally what Standard operating procedure means.

again, CAN the janitor make it their DUTY to kill vermin on station?
Yea.
Is it their "only job" or even a "requirement or expectation of their job"
no.

John B Dingle

Melts Pretty sure the server owner and admins have said multiple times that you shouldn't follow the SOP strictly since it's just guidelines to follow. It even says in the SOP iirc that you shouldn't follow it to a T.

Also, it doesn't define the expectations of the job. It defines procedures that should take place in event of certain circumstances

Eats-The-Crew

*thumps his tail.

Kalli

Eats-The-Crew I 'ungry.

Melts

I'm not arguing about following SOP to a T.
I am telling you that SOP is THE textbook definition of what the job is expected to do and supposed to be doing. You can go above and beyond, you can ignore it.
But SOP is the definition of the tasks required of the job.

John B Dingle

Melts Ok but at the end of the day that doesn't matter. Killing rats being an 'extra thing' that janitors 'can do' (hint hint, their only strict job SOP expectation really is to respond to calls from crew anyways) doesn't change the fact that they're seen as ethically okay to kill on sight. They're literally pests. I'm just trying to say that pests aren't entitled to life just because they're friendly