Little bit of a rant about ghost roles

Melts

And because the mouse cannot come back and report you for murder, and most people never revive dead mice to ask what happened, you will probably often get away with murder.
But you SHOULDN'T, because its antag behavior

John B Dingle

Melts Meh. I don't think the ghost role mice should be 'sentient' as there's already lots of ways for critters and alike to become "officially" sentient. There should probably be clarification on this. I think it's a little silly to say that killing a rat would constitute murder, though

Melts

If I were a lawyer and I had a moth roach pet that was a ghost role I would absolutely prosecute you for murdering my sentient moth roach.
And I think I could probably win if I had witnesses of the mothroach being smart/ doing flips/ whatever.

Either way though, the fact that the ghost role vermins CAN become sentient, regardless of your personal threshhold for when you think that status is acquired, means they CANNOT be KOS.

John B Dingle

Melts It's different when you're killing someone's pet. Of course you would probably win the case. If it's just a random pest then you probably would lose though

Melts

Yea, I wouldn't even know about it if it weren't my pet or my friend or whatever.
All I am saying though, is that as a player, the fact that you know those critters CAN be sentient, and therefore killing them COULD potentially be murder, they CANNOT automatically be KOS for you. You must make some attempt to determine if they are sentient - asking them to speak if you say cogni is the threshhold for sentience.
asking them to do a flip to prove they are a player. whatever it is. They cannot be KOS

John B Dingle

Melts Well. I don't consider the critters to be 'canonically sentient' if they're just random ghostrole critters. Besides, I'm not going to make the effort of making sure that this random pest actually has human-level intelligence and self-awareness (that's a tad ridiculous). Also;

I kill rat

Kalli

Eats-The-Crew I 'ungry.

frostwight

Counterpoint: felinid players get hungry sometimes. tasty snack runnin around on the floor im gonna eat it

Melts

frostwight I'm metagruding you

frostwight

Melts metagrudging an admin.... Duly noted.

Melts

please everyone stop killing mice (that are players)
😭

John B Dingle

Melts I just think the general problem is that most people don't care to accommodate for the 0.0001% of players who like to consistently play as friendly sentient mice

Eats-The-Crew

*licks his eyeballs.

aiidenssoup / inactive

Eats-The-Crew ‘allo!

Melts

1000000 curses on their houses
May their children be plagued to the 10th generation

Melts

frostwight In seriousness though, I actually tend to avoid felinids when playing a mouse because I know this is a common RP thing
Its mostly just annoying though when theres no warning or anything, no attempt at roleplay, no "cat and mouse" if you will

Like do a licks lips emote or something to give the mouse some warning 😢

frostwight

Melts
*wiggles around, getting ready to pounce as she spots her prey.

Melts

frostwight yes lol, hilarious and fun

aiidenssoup / inactive

genuinely tho i do agree with you. mouse is a ghost role, which means it’s meant to be played. i Can’t play it though bc people see me and immediately kill me. it’s to the point where i start just eating things im not supposed to just to have done something in the 2 literal minutes i have the role

Melts

aiidenssoup / inactive yea this is my major complaint
everyone just kills mice.
It has the potential to be a really really fun ghost role, that doesn't override the fact that you are RR'd, but still lets you have fun.
Tons of people just RR you again though without any hesitation 🙁

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